Comments on: Impeach Bush

By: A Guy In New York

A Guy In New York — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:59:22 +0000

Big Apple Blog Festival – January 16, 2006

Welcome to the Big Apple Blog Festival (BABF), a representative roundup of this week’s posts by NYC bloggers. The Big Apple Blog Festival likes to go on tour, and different blogs host it … if you have a NYC…

By: Huntington

Huntington — Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:21:51 +0000

Anyone ever wonder if, since he doesn’t seem to think the Constitution applies to him during “wartime” (which this isn’t, let’s remember), Bush would even agree to go if the Senate convicted him? He’s got the military; the Congress and the courts do not.

By: Jarrett House North

Jarrett House North — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:19:22 +0000

“Poppycock”: the administration’s wiretapping rationale

Hooblogger Joshua at WaxWorks provides a pointer into the most entertaining quote from constitutional scholar Lawrence Tribe

By: jwc

jwc — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:55:14 +0000

hearings are a trap to make democrats look soft on national security. we’ve been punk’d, it’s not possible to win this one. time to move on.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:37:42 +0000

I think that the activist community should definitely push for impeachment.

No, it cannot happen unless the Democrats decisively control the House, but the system requires the political base to take a more radical position to give cover to the mainstream.

You can see how the Right manages this:

James Dobson and Pat Robertson call for concentration camps and the death penalty for gay men and Lesbians. This makes Bush seem less extreme when he wants to use the Constitution to create a separate class of Americans, gay people, for whom the laws do not equally apply.

So, yes, history will be the judge, yadda, yadda …

But we can’t ignore the technical realities of what makes good politics. If some people call for outright impeachment, it makes it easier for the mainstream to call for investigations into the NSA wiretapping actions, which must happen at minimum here.

And this isn’t about “a few wiretaps.” Domestic electronic surveillance is not illegal, if the administration follows the guidelines set out in FISA and the like. There is only one reason for Bush to set up the surveillance without getting a warrant: He didn’t want a paper trail.

This indicates to me that the Bush administration was looking at people that they do not have the authority to spy on. Speculation is that they tapped the Kerry campaign in 2004, but I think it’s more likely that they were spying on renegade Republicans in the State Dept., like Colin Powell.

By: jwc

jwc — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:57:18 +0000

a casual, off the top of my head list:

1) it’ll never happen.
2) because it will never happen, any attempt to do so will only fracture an already polarized country.
3) a non-fractured country is more important than a few wiretaps
4) history will be GWB’s judge and it won’t be pretty
5) history is better revenge than impeachment.

By: Helga Fremlin

Helga Fremlin — Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:57:44 +0000

Excellent post, Jeff! Go impeach – already! Only if Americans wake up will Australians do the same – they are followers ..

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:44:39 +0000

Tinny, I said I have one argument against impeachment. I’ve got about a thousand in favor. He belongs in jail.

By: Tin Man

Tin Man — Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:57:27 +0000

Andy, I take issue with your main argument. You’re basically saying that the idiot Republicans’ wrongful impeachment of Clinton has tainted the impeachment process from now on. That they’ve won. A double win, at that – not only did they impeach a Democratic president, but they made the future impeachment of a Republican president look like revenge. I don’t think we should let that happen.

Two impeached presidents in a row would not make a habit. We shouldn’t let a wrongful impeachment (Clinton’s) spoil a legitimate impeachment.

I agree with your other points, though.

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:49:05 +0000

I have one argument in opposition to the impeachment threat. They impeached Clinton, and now we try to impeach Bush? I’m not saying there’s not good reason to do it, I’m just saying, please, oh, please, for the love of God, let’s not get into the habit of impeaching the President everytime the opposition party takes control of Congress. I say, “Maintain present course, Captain Zulu.” Criticize the man at every point, play up the rampant corruption, and politically hogtie the fool so he can’t do anything. Win the 2006 mid-term elections, take back Congress, and FIND A REAL GODDAMNED CANDIDATE TO RUN IN 2008.