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	<title>Comments on: Living in the Future</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Howse</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2007/08/03/living-in-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-113083</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Howse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the future, that delay will resurface if/when we colonize throughout our solar system, but it will be measured in minutes and hours instead of weeks and months.  

Actually, that delay exists now in space exploration.

For instance, rovers on Mars cannot be controlled real time as if it was some fancy video game.  The delay is too great.  Each move and event has to be carefully considered and peer reviewed before uploading to the rovers for execution.

You only considered the latency side of the communications problem.  The other portion is bandwidth.  Until quite recently, one baud in space was considered a big deal.  That&#039;s about what the Galileo spacecraft had since the high gain antenna failed during deployment.

Yet, another problem to consider (that you touched on with colonial fashion and news) is that technological advances on earth will travel (for hardware) as fast as a rocket (for now).  Think of the compute power of a voyager probe.  Your cell phone likely surpasses that by a great deal.  There&#039;s no way to update the hardware, there.

Just wanted to show you that the &quot;delay&quot; still exists in today&#039;s world in some form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the future, that delay will resurface if/when we colonize throughout our solar system, but it will be measured in minutes and hours instead of weeks and months.  </p>
<p>Actually, that delay exists now in space exploration.</p>
<p>For instance, rovers on Mars cannot be controlled real time as if it was some fancy video game.  The delay is too great.  Each move and event has to be carefully considered and peer reviewed before uploading to the rovers for execution.</p>
<p>You only considered the latency side of the communications problem.  The other portion is bandwidth.  Until quite recently, one baud in space was considered a big deal.  That&#8217;s about what the Galileo spacecraft had since the high gain antenna failed during deployment.</p>
<p>Yet, another problem to consider (that you touched on with colonial fashion and news) is that technological advances on earth will travel (for hardware) as fast as a rocket (for now).  Think of the compute power of a voyager probe.  Your cell phone likely surpasses that by a great deal.  There&#8217;s no way to update the hardware, there.</p>
<p>Just wanted to show you that the &#8220;delay&#8221; still exists in today&#8217;s world in some form.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took even longer (6 months to a year) for information from Spain to reach Tucson, which was up on the northern frontier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took even longer (6 months to a year) for information from Spain to reach Tucson, which was up on the northern frontier.</p>
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		<title>By: rob adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, i agree, especially with your initial statement.

Re. John Adams...
Growing up in my education those of the colonial era struck me as having a very peculiar general psyche:  harsh, uncompromising, determined, overly-ambitious, idealistic to a fault -- yet totally carnal in amusements/obtaining-their-desires (even Adams with his damn gardening).  There is a (unfortunately limited) body of colonial era diaries/short-journals that put the psyche of that era&#039;s inhabitants into context for me.  These type of documents bring issues to the fore that contemporary American culture tends to neglect in importantance (smallpox, quality of life expectations exponentially diminishing  each year, ability to conduct one&#039;s work-trade likewise) making Adams&#039; world-view a sense-made and sane ideological response to current-events and the possible trajectory of social trends.

There once existed a popular American culture that prided itself upon one&#039;s ability to live ever more frugally, on the ability to make-do, on the skill to solve problems in the face of little with which to work, and on equality amongst citizens as they strive to do so; Adams was one man amongst maybe a hundred or so whose personalities made such things popular, once, in our culture. 

rob@egoz.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, i agree, especially with your initial statement.</p>
<p>Re. John Adams&#8230;<br />
Growing up in my education those of the colonial era struck me as having a very peculiar general psyche:  harsh, uncompromising, determined, overly-ambitious, idealistic to a fault &#8212; yet totally carnal in amusements/obtaining-their-desires (even Adams with his damn gardening).  There is a (unfortunately limited) body of colonial era diaries/short-journals that put the psyche of that era&#8217;s inhabitants into context for me.  These type of documents bring issues to the fore that contemporary American culture tends to neglect in importantance (smallpox, quality of life expectations exponentially diminishing  each year, ability to conduct one&#8217;s work-trade likewise) making Adams&#8217; world-view a sense-made and sane ideological response to current-events and the possible trajectory of social trends.</p>
<p>There once existed a popular American culture that prided itself upon one&#8217;s ability to live ever more frugally, on the ability to make-do, on the skill to solve problems in the face of little with which to work, and on equality amongst citizens as they strive to do so; Adams was one man amongst maybe a hundred or so whose personalities made such things popular, once, in our culture. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:rob@egoz.org">rob@egoz.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post.  I love imaginging what was.
Heck, even think about the 80s pre-cellular.  When you left the house, you had your plans! You didn&#039;t carry a phone in your pocket so people could call you and change or tell you they&#039;d be late or cancel or...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post.  I love imaginging what was.<br />
Heck, even think about the 80s pre-cellular.  When you left the house, you had your plans! You didn&#8217;t carry a phone in your pocket so people could call you and change or tell you they&#8217;d be late or cancel or&#8230;</p>
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