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		<title>By: The Bilerico Project</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/04/28/young-gay-marrieds-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-126519</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bilerico Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is same-sex marriage just for white people?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Earlier this week, I posted about the lengthy article in the NY Times Sunday magazine that profiled young, married gay couples in Massachusetts. The couples were all white and wealthy, and I took author Benoit Denizet-Lewis to task over that - it would...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Is same-sex marriage just for white people?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Earlier this week, I posted about the lengthy article in the NY Times Sunday magazine that profiled young, married gay couples in Massachusetts. The couples were all white and wealthy, and I took author Benoit Denizet-Lewis to task over that &#8211; it would&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James D. B.</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/04/28/young-gay-marrieds-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-126513</link>
		<dc:creator>James D. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I realized that if I can read the gay marriage article on the computer through a link on this blog, I can look up Low Moon, and I did.  I only got halfway through the gay marriage article before I stopped reading.  I can not relate at all.  I live in Lexington Virginia.  I am in my later thirties now, I came out in my earlier thirties.  For a while, I had a long distance boyfriend, I got tired of his jealousy and his insistence on monogamy.  And, I did not leave Lexington.   So, in a sense, coming out later in life, I wanted to sleep with more men.  I do not feel a regret about not coming out earlier, I am living now, and I sleep with new men I meet when I get a chance.  I discovered in the time that I have been out:  there are gay men everywhere,  though where I live, many are in the closet, yet there are many who are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I realized that if I can read the gay marriage article on the computer through a link on this blog, I can look up Low Moon, and I did.  I only got halfway through the gay marriage article before I stopped reading.  I can not relate at all.  I live in Lexington Virginia.  I am in my later thirties now, I came out in my earlier thirties.  For a while, I had a long distance boyfriend, I got tired of his jealousy and his insistence on monogamy.  And, I did not leave Lexington.   So, in a sense, coming out later in life, I wanted to sleep with more men.  I do not feel a regret about not coming out earlier, I am living now, and I sleep with new men I meet when I get a chance.  I discovered in the time that I have been out:  there are gay men everywhere,  though where I live, many are in the closet, yet there are many who are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tin Man</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/04/28/young-gay-marrieds-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-126511</link>
		<dc:creator>Tin Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you know... they&#039;re playing chess and throwing pails of water on each other.  Anyway... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/ref/magazine/funnypages.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; are all the installments!  (Unless you&#039;re joking.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you know&#8230; they&#8217;re playing chess and throwing pails of water on each other.  Anyway&#8230; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/ref/magazine/funnypages.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> are all the installments!  (Unless you&#8217;re joking.)</p>
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		<title>By: James D. B.</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/04/28/young-gay-marrieds-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-126510</link>
		<dc:creator>James D. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been in Rural South Carolina for three weeks and have not been able to buy a Sunday New York Times.  All I want to know is what is happening in the cartoon &quot;Low Moon&quot; in the &#039;funny pages&#039; of the glossy magazine section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been in Rural South Carolina for three weeks and have not been able to buy a Sunday New York Times.  All I want to know is what is happening in the cartoon &#8220;Low Moon&#8221; in the &#8216;funny pages&#8217; of the glossy magazine section.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many things nauseated me about that article - and I&#039;ve also had a hard time trying to compose a post about it, so bravo Jeff.

Socio-political issues aside, on a personal level, my reaction was [i]what are these idiots [u]thinking???[/u][/i].

I jumped into a committed relationship when I was just out of college. I was in love and I thought we were a perfect match. We were committed to one another and I thought we&#039;d be together forever. I expected only sunshine and lollipops. Boy, was I wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many things nauseated me about that article &#8211; and I&#8217;ve also had a hard time trying to compose a post about it, so bravo Jeff.</p>
<p>Socio-political issues aside, on a personal level, my reaction was [i]what are these idiots [u]thinking???[/u][/i].</p>
<p>I jumped into a committed relationship when I was just out of college. I was in love and I thought we were a perfect match. We were committed to one another and I thought we&#8217;d be together forever. I expected only sunshine and lollipops. Boy, was I wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: rob adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the author of the article, much like the pictures, tended to overly rely on the stereotypes of being gay and, as a result, focused too much on how those (stereotyped) attributes might then morph when gays marry.

As people mentioned, gaydom is not universally fixated by trendy clothes, dinner parties, and appointing our homes and selves with the latest consumerist soma.  Many of us live fairly frugal lives and are extremely content with the quietness and simplicity of that choice.  Getting married, for many gay people, isn&#039;t about magnifying the decadent-life nor is it about keeping the party alive merely in the context of a mutual commitment.  It&#039;s something more humanly universal and base.

For many contemporary gays the choice of a permanent union is probably more about taking a wild chance that you and someone else can make it together and, over time, successfully weather the various atrocities life undoubtedly deals us all.

No one knows what craziness the future will certainly bring but only that it shall.  A union with someone else with whom you are in-love is a wise attempt at reigning in the onslaught of life&#039;s horrors and possibly creating some beachhead when events get too unwieldy for any one individual alone.  Marriage for gays, like straights, is probably more about carving out a little plot of sanctuary in the storminess of life -- with someone you dearly love.  And this says nothing about the desire of these two people to grow over time together ever closer.

By the end of the article i went back and looked at those overly sacrine photos and realized we all probably, even just a little, enter marriage with an eye towards the improbably ideal.  Unfortunately, i think the author had trouble looking beyond the stereotypes presented before him and missed the common ideals that gays and straights alike seek when marrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the author of the article, much like the pictures, tended to overly rely on the stereotypes of being gay and, as a result, focused too much on how those (stereotyped) attributes might then morph when gays marry.</p>
<p>As people mentioned, gaydom is not universally fixated by trendy clothes, dinner parties, and appointing our homes and selves with the latest consumerist soma.  Many of us live fairly frugal lives and are extremely content with the quietness and simplicity of that choice.  Getting married, for many gay people, isn&#8217;t about magnifying the decadent-life nor is it about keeping the party alive merely in the context of a mutual commitment.  It&#8217;s something more humanly universal and base.</p>
<p>For many contemporary gays the choice of a permanent union is probably more about taking a wild chance that you and someone else can make it together and, over time, successfully weather the various atrocities life undoubtedly deals us all.</p>
<p>No one knows what craziness the future will certainly bring but only that it shall.  A union with someone else with whom you are in-love is a wise attempt at reigning in the onslaught of life&#8217;s horrors and possibly creating some beachhead when events get too unwieldy for any one individual alone.  Marriage for gays, like straights, is probably more about carving out a little plot of sanctuary in the storminess of life &#8212; with someone you dearly love.  And this says nothing about the desire of these two people to grow over time together ever closer.</p>
<p>By the end of the article i went back and looked at those overly sacrine photos and realized we all probably, even just a little, enter marriage with an eye towards the improbably ideal.  Unfortunately, i think the author had trouble looking beyond the stereotypes presented before him and missed the common ideals that gays and straights alike seek when marrying.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, Jeff.  I was bothered by the article but I&#039;m having trouble articulating why (in fact, the window has been sitting open on my desktop since saturday waiting for me to write a pithy blog post about it... not gonna happen).

Part of my problem with the article is that the tone and subjects he chose to profile all create the sense of an elitist upper-upper-middle-class point of view that I find fascinating (that&#039;s also why I read the Sunday Vows features) but still have a hard time connecting to (even though they&#039;re admittedly not too far removed from my own socio-economic circles).

There was also a really self-satisfied tone to what the couples had to say, or maybe with how it was presented in the article, that really turned me off.  I know I&#039;m occasionally guilty of the same thing (&quot;Yes, we&#039;ve been together SEVEN YEARS.&quot;), but it still turns me off.

I&#039;m not explaining this very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, Jeff.  I was bothered by the article but I&#8217;m having trouble articulating why (in fact, the window has been sitting open on my desktop since saturday waiting for me to write a pithy blog post about it&#8230; not gonna happen).</p>
<p>Part of my problem with the article is that the tone and subjects he chose to profile all create the sense of an elitist upper-upper-middle-class point of view that I find fascinating (that&#8217;s also why I read the Sunday Vows features) but still have a hard time connecting to (even though they&#8217;re admittedly not too far removed from my own socio-economic circles).</p>
<p>There was also a really self-satisfied tone to what the couples had to say, or maybe with how it was presented in the article, that really turned me off.  I know I&#8217;m occasionally guilty of the same thing (&#8220;Yes, we&#8217;ve been together SEVEN YEARS.&#8221;), but it still turns me off.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not explaining this very well.</p>
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		<title>By: abstract nixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>abstract nixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll come over and dry your tears and help you make your batter better.

Great post, Jeff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll come over and dry your tears and help you make your batter better.</p>
<p>Great post, Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: DJRainDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJRainDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was, perhaps, a selfish request on my part.  There&#039;s rather a lot of heavy shit going down in my world right now, though, as you might&#039;ve guessed by my ongoing inability to actually post an entry -- or, in fact, to do much beyond vague sniping from the sidelines in the comments of a few friendly blogs.  Your perspective helped, though, as did the article, now that I&#039;ve finally managed to finish reading it...in some unexpected ways.  So I thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was, perhaps, a selfish request on my part.  There&#8217;s rather a lot of heavy shit going down in my world right now, though, as you might&#8217;ve guessed by my ongoing inability to actually post an entry &#8212; or, in fact, to do much beyond vague sniping from the sidelines in the comments of a few friendly blogs.  Your perspective helped, though, as did the article, now that I&#8217;ve finally managed to finish reading it&#8230;in some unexpected ways.  So I thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bilerico Project</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bilerico Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Dollar Purple...&lt;/strong&gt;

I was reading that lengthy article in the NY Times about young gay couples who are getting married, but at about page 6 I wanted to jump out the window so I could run around the street screaming, so I just stopped. It&#039;s one of the most irritating thin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Dollar Purple&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I was reading that lengthy article in the NY Times about young gay couples who are getting married, but at about page 6 I wanted to jump out the window so I could run around the street screaming, so I just stopped. It&#8217;s one of the most irritating thin&#8230;</p>
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