Comments on: Obamangst http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/08/04/obamangst/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:05:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bart http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/08/04/obamangst/comment-page-1/#comment-127756 Bart Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:59:50 +0000 http://www.tinmanic.com/?p=2895#comment-127756 It sounds like you're saying that Obama's not enough like McCain and that Hilary would have been a lot more like him. If that would have helped her get elected, we would have ended up with someone not very different from McCain from an ethical point of view. I'd rather have Obama come in with a closer vote and given him the chance to prove the rest of the voters wrong with what he does for the country. I'm kind of just looking forward to the televised debates and seeing McCain make a fool of himself. He isn't the same person that was running against Bush 8 years ago and he hasn't been in front of a camera enough for people to see that. It sounds like you’re saying that Obama’s not enough like McCain and that Hilary would have been a lot more like him. If that would have helped her get elected, we would have ended up with someone not very different from McCain from an ethical point of view. I’d rather have Obama come in with a closer vote and given him the chance to prove the rest of the voters wrong with what he does for the country.

I’m kind of just looking forward to the televised debates and seeing McCain make a fool of himself. He isn’t the same person that was running against Bush 8 years ago and he hasn’t been in front of a camera enough for people to see that.

]]> By: ted http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/08/04/obamangst/comment-page-1/#comment-127734 ted Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:59:47 +0000 http://www.tinmanic.com/?p=2895#comment-127734 If Clinton had been the nominee, the negative ads and scurrilous campaigning would be revolting. She would probably have won, but it would have been a nail-biter. I think Homer is right about the polling. But I also think Obama has been campaigning rather terribly over the last few weeks. He needs to give up being the high-road Messiah and start bashing first. He doesn't have to lie and cheat and pander like McCain does (and Hillary would have). He just needs to run clips of McCain talking. If Clinton had been the nominee, the negative ads and scurrilous campaigning would be revolting. She would probably have won, but it would have been a nail-biter.

I think Homer is right about the polling. But I also think Obama has been campaigning rather terribly over the last few weeks. He needs to give up being the high-road Messiah and start bashing first. He doesn’t have to lie and cheat and pander like McCain does (and Hillary would have). He just needs to run clips of McCain talking.

]]> By: Andy http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/08/04/obamangst/comment-page-1/#comment-127729 Andy Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:43:14 +0000 http://www.tinmanic.com/?p=2895#comment-127729 I'm not so sure. Both candidates came with huge liabilities. Hillary had her sky-high negative ratings and her lecherous husband. (Plus, she's dishonest, phony and transparent.) And there are knuckleheads out there who just won't vote for a woman, I guess. There are also knuckleheads (and knuckleheadettes) who won't vote for a mixed race candidate. Obama's main liability seems to be what the media now calls the "low information voter" -- on both ends of the political spectrum. The Rush Limbaughs are mocking his energy plan, and the far-out lefty loonies suddenly find themselves astonished that Barack Obama is not the rabid socialist attack dog of their dreams. I, too, have been disappointed by some of Obama's decisions and statements (the FISA is inexplicable...), but when I consider the alternative I feel better. McCain is just a dolt. I thought I liked him...I thought he was the moderate conservative of principle, but he has amply demonstrated that he doesn't have the first idea what he's talking about. He's somewhat more eloquent and coherent than the current president, but no better informed. Polls consistently show Obama in the lead; I think the Obama campaign is also laying low for a little bit until the convention. I feel pretty good about his chances in November. Once the 1:1 debates start, he's going to eat McCain for breakfast. I’m not so sure. Both candidates came with huge liabilities. Hillary had her sky-high negative ratings and her lecherous husband. (Plus, she’s dishonest, phony and transparent.) And there are knuckleheads out there who just won’t vote for a woman, I guess. There are also knuckleheads (and knuckleheadettes) who won’t vote for a mixed race candidate. Obama’s main liability seems to be what the media now calls the “low information voter” — on both ends of the political spectrum. The Rush Limbaughs are mocking his energy plan, and the far-out lefty loonies suddenly find themselves astonished that Barack Obama is not the rabid socialist attack dog of their dreams. I, too, have been disappointed by some of Obama’s decisions and statements (the FISA is inexplicable…), but when I consider the alternative I feel better. McCain is just a dolt. I thought I liked him…I thought he was the moderate conservative of principle, but he has amply demonstrated that he doesn’t have the first idea what he’s talking about. He’s somewhat more eloquent and coherent than the current president, but no better informed.

Polls consistently show Obama in the lead; I think the Obama campaign is also laying low for a little bit until the convention. I feel pretty good about his chances in November. Once the 1:1 debates start, he’s going to eat McCain for breakfast.

]]> By: libhomo http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/08/04/obamangst/comment-page-1/#comment-127724 libhomo Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:57:22 +0000 http://www.tinmanic.com/?p=2895#comment-127724 If the Democrats had nominated a homophobic, racist, Republican war monger like Hillary Clinton, I would have voted Green. The Clintons, like their ideological clones the Bushes, are cancers on American politics and governance. If the Democrats had nominated a homophobic, racist, Republican war monger like Hillary Clinton, I would have voted Green. The Clintons, like their ideological clones the Bushes, are cancers on American politics and governance.

]]> By: homer http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/08/04/obamangst/comment-page-1/#comment-127718 homer Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:23:00 +0000 http://www.tinmanic.com/?p=2895#comment-127718 Ms. Clinton would have lost. I have been to rural America where people detest her (including my family) often for stupid reasons (she's a broad, she let Bill cheat on her, etc). I believe the polls we are seeing are flawed- they all rely on land phone lines. Most young people only have cell phones, they are overwhelmingly in support of Obama. A similar situation took place a long time ago (was it Roosevelt or Truman?) when pollsters called phone numbers, but couldn't contact people without phones, and they predicted the other guy would win. Ms. Clinton would have lost. I have been to rural America where people detest her (including my family) often for stupid reasons (she’s a broad, she let Bill cheat on her, etc).

I believe the polls we are seeing are flawed- they all rely on land phone lines. Most young people only have cell phones, they are overwhelmingly in support of Obama. A similar situation took place a long time ago (was it Roosevelt or Truman?) when pollsters called phone numbers, but couldn’t contact people without phones, and they predicted the other guy would win.

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