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	<title>Comments on: Bush Issues More Signing Statements</title>
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		<title>By: Tin Man</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/10/15/bush-issues-more-signing-statements/comment-page-1/#comment-128690</link>
		<dc:creator>Tin Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably Cheney and David Addington.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder who taught him this signing statement trick. It doesn&#039;t seem like something he would have been able to come up with on his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder who taught him this signing statement trick. It doesn&#8217;t seem like something he would have been able to come up with on his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Tin Man</title>
		<link>http://www.tinmanic.com/archives/2008/10/15/bush-issues-more-signing-statements/comment-page-1/#comment-128687</link>
		<dc:creator>Tin Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment #2 is a trackback from my friend Tim&#039;s blog to show that he linked to the post.  It doesn&#039;t actually quote from my post -- it quotes from Tim&#039;s post.

Actually, one could argue that the president is allowed to judge whether a bill is constitutional or not.  If he sincerely believes that a bill is unconstitutional, he has the right to veto it.  What he does not have the right to do is sign the law and then effectively use a line-item veto to cross out parts that he thinks are unconstitutional.

Similarly, a member of Congress who believes a bill is unconstitutional has the right to vote against it.

But those are regarding bills.  Once something has been passed into law, judging its constitutionality is the judiciary&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment #2 is a trackback from my friend Tim&#8217;s blog to show that he linked to the post.  It doesn&#8217;t actually quote from my post &#8212; it quotes from Tim&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>Actually, one could argue that the president is allowed to judge whether a bill is constitutional or not.  If he sincerely believes that a bill is unconstitutional, he has the right to veto it.  What he does not have the right to do is sign the law and then effectively use a line-item veto to cross out parts that he thinks are unconstitutional.</p>
<p>Similarly, a member of Congress who believes a bill is unconstitutional has the right to vote against it.</p>
<p>But those are regarding bills.  Once something has been passed into law, judging its constitutionality is the judiciary&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the place of the president to determine what is or is not unconstitutional: that&#039;s the job the judicial branch.

But perhaps the emper-- I mean President straddles both the executive and judicial branches the way the Vice President belongs to both the executive and legislative branch and is therefore answerable to neither (TM Dick Cheney)?

Why do we still pretend we have a constitution when this is the way it&#039;s treated?

And what is up with the comments like the one above (#2) that are random quotes from your post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the place of the president to determine what is or is not unconstitutional: that&#8217;s the job the judicial branch.</p>
<p>But perhaps the emper&#8211; I mean President straddles both the executive and judicial branches the way the Vice President belongs to both the executive and legislative branch and is therefore answerable to neither (TM Dick Cheney)?</p>
<p>Why do we still pretend we have a constitution when this is the way it&#8217;s treated?</p>
<p>And what is up with the comments like the one above (#2) that are random quotes from your post?</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-10-15 (Jarrett House North)</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-10-15 (Jarrett House North)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Tin Man » Bush Issues More Signing Statements Adding to the count of things to excoriate the Bush presidency over, two more signing statements instructing the executive branch to ignore parts of laws that were passed. (tags: america bush signingstatements) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rmoncel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rmoncel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like other forms of abuse of executive power by Bush and his predecessors, the practice of signing statements is difficult to curtail. Because the presidency retains a great deal of discretion in the exercise of power, it is important to let voters know clearly where the presidential candidates stand on such issues as signing statements, claims of executive privilege to withhold information, compliance with congressional oversight and scientific integrity.
 
Do the abuses of the Bush administration constitute a precedent for the President-elect to follow? It is important to answer this question before the election rather than finding out the hard way. 
 
A new WRI policy note reviews the practices of previous administrations in the context of relevant constitutional and legislative provisions, and attests to the vulnerability of a system of delicate checks and balances to abuse of power. It brings to light significant negative impacts that have resulted from an opaque and unchecked presidency and makes the case for better governance in the next administration. Available at: http://www.wri.org/stories/2008/10/presiding-with-principle-restoring-good-governance-us-executive-branch
 
Remi Moncel
World Resources Institute</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like other forms of abuse of executive power by Bush and his predecessors, the practice of signing statements is difficult to curtail. Because the presidency retains a great deal of discretion in the exercise of power, it is important to let voters know clearly where the presidential candidates stand on such issues as signing statements, claims of executive privilege to withhold information, compliance with congressional oversight and scientific integrity.</p>
<p>Do the abuses of the Bush administration constitute a precedent for the President-elect to follow? It is important to answer this question before the election rather than finding out the hard way. </p>
<p>A new WRI policy note reviews the practices of previous administrations in the context of relevant constitutional and legislative provisions, and attests to the vulnerability of a system of delicate checks and balances to abuse of power. It brings to light significant negative impacts that have resulted from an opaque and unchecked presidency and makes the case for better governance in the next administration. Available at: <a href="http://www.wri.org/stories/2008/10/presiding-with-principle-restoring-good-governance-us-executive-branch" rel="nofollow">http://www.wri.org/stories/2008/10/presiding-with-principle-restoring-good-governance-us-executive-branch</a></p>
<p>Remi Moncel<br />
World Resources Institute</p>
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